IL dictators new law, they are going to tell you were you

[Caiman]

can and cannot buy feed


to my understanding what they are doing is taking the law governing pet stores rewording and adding a few things so it effects private owner ship as well. Do you own birds, if this passes the only legal way you will be able to by bird feed is with a prescription from a vet "Good quality, wholesome food" for birds means that prescribed by an Avian veterinarian" Thats copied and pasted do you want to be told its illegal for you to buy bird feed at Walmart? Anyway heres is the link to the law itd effect all parts of the animal industry in IL. WE MUST ACT NOW THEY ARE VOTING NEXT WENSDAY,They are trying to sneak this one through it is moving fast.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=50&GA=94&DocTypeId =HB&DocNum=0707&GAID=8&LegID=15187&SpecSess=&Sessi on=



Heres is a link to the commitee that will be voting on it next wensday
http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees/members.asp?committeeID=209
Call you local news papers, call the managers of your local Walmart let them know if allowed to pass this bill will effect there sales, call every pet store you can and write these people, act now and make you entire famiily act!

You may not live here but if this passes here you state could be next

[Schlyne]

I copied this links and posted most of what you state on at least one other forum that I know has other IL people on it. (I hope you don't mind). Telling us to buy bird food only from an avian vet is pretty stupid. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to find an Avian vet. I can't see the big chain petstores not having a brand of high quality bird food.

[Alias47]

It goes much farther than not being able to buy birdfeed.

ANYONE that transfers any animal's ownership (regardless of compensation, which means even if you GIVE it away) MUST be licensed by the state...and are subject to inspection...records registration...and specifically ANNUAL veterinary checkups.
Some of the broad definitions that will be changed could also potentially outlaw rack systems (depending on interpretation of the law) and effectively stop all breeding in the state.

I could not afford to be a hobbyist breeder...and hopefully one day a commercial breeder if this act is revised. And neither could most people.
If you had to get EVERY animal a vet checkup previous to transfer...a $20 cornsnake just became a $120 dollar cornsnake. If I bred 50 corns and wanted to sell them all...it would cost me upwards of $5000 in vet and registration costs for these animals...which is ridiculous...this MUST be stopped.

I could not find a corresponding Illinois Senate Bill...and since this bill is being heard at a Agriculture and Conservation Committee hearing...I believe it is still in it's infancy...although the Committee Hearing IS next Wednesday...I urge anyone that is a resident of the state to contact your State Representative...I also contacted my State Senator to make him aware of any possible pending legislation.
I also wrote the Governor to let him know how I feel about this.

You can find your state official at this link: http://www.elections.state.il.us/dls/pages/DLSAddresscrit.asp

[Alias47]

This legislation may be at the Illinois State Level...but will affect the Pet Industry nationwide...effectively anyone selling animals at the NARBC show in Tinley Park would have to have a State license to do so...and would have to be inspected...and have current veterinary checkups on ALL animals...as well as all documentation for the care of such animals.

Anyone who transfers ownership of an animal in the state (even if it is for free) is subject to this legislation.

[NeoScales]

"Good quality, wholesome food" for a bird means that prescribed by an Avian veterinarian."

I think what is meant here is that the definition of "Good quality, wholesome food" is set by an avian veterinarian. Meaning if you think your bird is well fed on tree bark alone, an avian vet must agree that diet to constitute a "Good quality, wholesome food", or you are not complying with the law. In other words feed your bird a broadly acceptable diet, not some experiential or cheap alternative.

It doesn't say you can't buy bird food, that's a misunderstanding of the verbage contained in the proposal. Also keep in mind that this law is meant to guide in cases where the Animal Control is needed. I hate all these new restrictive laws, but creating hysteria and passing misinformation about them doesn't really help the cause.

[Caiman]

Randy its being pushed by PETA, ive had some people who deal with the laws on a daily basis interprut it for me and this law is not a good thing. Its is intentionally written in a very vague language. Under this law anyone who transfers an animal in anyway shape or form must be permitted and inspected. I.E. you pick up a stray cat and give it to a someone according to this law you must be permitted and inspected prior to tranferring it to the person. Under they vague language of this proposed law next year when you show up for Tinley you may be required to get permitted and inspected. There are no caging requiremnets written within this law, why? because without specific requirments to be met it can be interpruted and used by investagating officers, judges courts etc to whatever means they see to fit the situation. No differant then the way they state uses the current dangerous animal act, its just as vague however one officaer will arrest you and confiscate that 10ft burm while another will not. Some will arrest you for venomoids and some will not. Now regaurdless of whether you found guilty of violating the dangerous animals act for a 10ft burm until the hearing you get to pay room and board for the animal. Guilty or not you get to pay up. Theres is no reason why a vague law like this should be allowed to pass in any form. It was not written by animal people to better the animal industry it was written by hunamiacs to make everyones lves more diffucult.
Also the speed at which this law came down should be enough to worry any animal person. This thing was proposed last week and is being heard next week. Elected officals do not move that fast on matters such as these. That should be enough to send up a million red flags to anyone, this is being pushed by peta hsus or someone of that matter.

I hopes this better explains


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Yes exactly, this also gives the vet the oppurtunity to throw a pallet of bird food in the front of his office and say "hey theres the food you need that I prescribe bla bla bla" The thing that cannot be over looked is that a vets practice is set up to make money and nothing more. Granted some vets do it for the love of animals(all I would hope). But it is a vehichle to make money and nothing more. Now on top of which do you want to have to get your parakeet food aprovced by a vet? How many people are going to take a $20 to the vet on top of which one that specializes in birds. I dont know of any vets in our area that specialize in birds. Laws like this need to be stopped plain and simple, their left vague for a reason, that way the powers that be can intrupt anyway they see fit. Regaurdless I doubt this will go anywhere I spent all day yesterday on the phone with corperate Walmrt, Petsmart and Petco all of which agreed they stand to lose money if this law is passed and honestly I think any elected offical that tries to take those 3 giants on is going to be looking for the unemployement office in the not to distant future. But that is still no reason why anyone should support this or not voice their opinion to stop it. Its easier to refine a law on the books then it is to get one on there.

[Kitt]

Caiman -- do you know who would be the best person to e-mail expressing displeasure at this bill? (I am good at writing letters ;) ) I agree completely that the more people speak out against this, the better.

Also, for any other anti-PETA-ites out there, I'm posting this link to the Center for Consumer Freedom's petition to get PETA's tax-exemption status revoked on the grounds that . . . well . . . They support terrorism. Grotesque, but very unfortunately true.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/article/154

Let's hope this thing dies before anything else becomes of it.

[Caiman]

Kitt heres the contact info for the two people sponsoring this bill thanks!

Representative Elaine Nekritz (D)
http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?MemberID=1033
Springfield Office:
258-W Stratton Office Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 558-1004
(217) 557-7204 FAX

District Office:
24 S. Des Plaines River Road
Suite 200
Des Plaines, IL 60016
(847) 257-0450
(847) 257-0452 FAX
Cook County
Representative Paul D. Froehlich (R)
http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?MemberID=1068
Springfield Office:
232-N Stratton Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-3725
(217) 782-1336 FAX

District Office:
15 W. Weathersfield Way
Schaumburg, IL 60193
(847) 985-9210
(847) 891-8772 FAX
Cook County

[Caiman]

Below is a question that was asked in one of the forums I just wanted to try and clear a couple things up


why would anyone be so enraged at an attempt to protect those who can't speak for themselves? On this surface that may seem as though this is what its about but it is not by any means. First it is easier for them to rewrite a law then it is to make a new one. In every state in the US there are already animal cruelty laws on the books. So why not fix those? second you must understand the language. Under this law if you transfer one single animal in the state of IL you must be inspected and permitted prior to tranferring that animal. If you pick up a stray dog and give it to a friend under this you must be permitted. Your looking out for the benifit of that stray animal and you will get to give some of your hard earned money to the state and have state officals wondering around your house. Also understand this portion
Animal caretaker Pet shop operator" means any person who sells, offers to sell or , exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charge or donation dogs, cats, birds, fish, reptiles, or other animals customarily
obtained as pets in this State.
No where in there does it says it is limited to IL residents.
means any person who sells, offers to sell or , exchange,...in this State If you are coming in from out of state for the Tinley Park reptiles show next year you may be required to get inspected. Im going to use Bob Clark as an example, for no other reason then everyone has heard his name. Any person would include Bob Clark Shipping ball pythons into IL. Now does he send enough ball pythons here that its worth the hassle for him to jump through the hoops to do so legally under this law. I dunno. But keep in mind it clearly states ANY PERSON(which includes you), no where in there does it have any proposed way that someone from out of state can make the state of IL happy to legally tranfer animals into the state. The state of IL surly is not going to send agents to FL or CA to do inspections. The point I am getting at is this could shut the state lines down.


Now look at the wording for animal care taker

Animal caretaker " means any person who sells, offers to sell or , exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charge or donation dogs, cats, birds, fish, reptiles, or other animals customarily obtained as pets in this State.
Anyone who transfers reptiles is an animal caretaker and falls under the wording of this law Now notice what you must do with your reptiles under this law
Every animal caretaker pet shop operator, dog dealer, and cattery operator shall provide the following information for every dog or cat available for sale: (a) The age, sex, and weight of the animal. (b) The breed of the animal. (c) A record of vaccinations and veterinary care and treatment. (d) A record of surgical sterilization or lack of surgical sterilization. (e) The name and address of the breeder of the animal. (f) The name and address of any other person who owned or harbored the animal between its birth and the point of sale.
25 (Source: P.A. 87-819.)

26 (225 ILCS 605/18) (from Ch. 8, par. 318)
27 Sec. 18. The licensee shall:
28 a. Maintain sanitary conditions.
29 b. Insure proper ventilation.
30 c. Provide adequate nutrition.
31 d. Provide humane care and treatment of all animals under
32 his jurisdiction.
33 d-5. Provide a sufficient quantity of good quality,
34 wholesome food and water.

HB0707 - 5 - LRB094 04266 RAS 34291 b
1 d-10. Provide adequate shelter and protection from the
2 weather.
3 d-15. Provide veterinary care on an annual basis and also
4 when needed to prevent suffering.
5 d-20. Provide a stimulating and enriching environment.
Now if you look further into this law a "stimulating and enriching environment" is one that includes toys and all kinds of other nonsense that snakes simpy do not need. My dumerils may play with their food sometimes but they sure have no interest in balls, bells or anything else.
(f) The name and address of any other person who owned or harbored the animal between its birth and the point of sale. Can you provide that for every single snake you own? Some maybe, but the majority no I cant. I dont know about you but I really dont think reptiles require yearly vet visits
Provide veterinary care on an annual basis and also when needed to prevent suffering. I mean come on, I agree that when sick they need to be taken to a vet but yearly? They require no vaccinations or anything that needs to be checked and treated on a regualry schedule such as mammals.

Theres alot of other things in there too but just those should be enough to scare anyone. And lastly we dont know for certain that it was PETA members who wrote and brought this up to the officals. From what I am told it was two people who apraoched Elaine gave her a great sales pitch and she thought that this was going to save all the animal in the state of IL. But I have seen enough that I would bet money that PETA is somehow behind this. The vague language, direct wording etc etc just stinks of PETA or some other humaniacs.

Someone asked about who propsed this
Representative Elaine Nekritz (D)
http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?MemberID=1033
Springfield Office:
258-W Stratton Office Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 558-1004
(217) 557-7204 FAX

District Office:
24 S. Des Plaines River Road
Suite 200
Des Plaines, IL 60016
(847) 257-0450
(847) 257-0452 FAX
Cook County


Representative Paul D. Froehlich (R)
http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?MemberID=1068
Springfield Office:
232-N Stratton Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-3725
(217) 782-1336 FAX

District Office:
15 W. Weathersfield Way
Schaumburg, IL 60193
(847) 985-9210
(847) 891-8772 FAX
Cook County

Full text can be veiwed here
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=50&GA=94&DocTypeId =HB&DocNum=0707&GAID=8&LegID=15187&SpecSess=&Sessi on=

[Caiman]

Last year we stopped the blanket ban on exotics this year HB0707 that would have shut down the state lines etc.

I spoke to Elaine the rep who sponsored this bill this morning, boy is she a piece of work LOL. We spoke for probably 20 minutes and it never really went anywhere. I wanted to know why she would support something like this and she tried as hard she could to run me in circles. Her response was

" As a rep my job is to voice the views of my constituents, sometimes the ideas are good ones and sometimes their bad. This one wasn't popular so we decided not to move on it."

I asked why would you support something like this in the first place. I didn't but I was thinking of asking her if I brought something to her to legalize cocaine use if she would shove it through under that same attitude.

"Well were not moving forward so you views are being heard"

Now of course neither of those response answered my original question. I explained to her some of the things that would have happened had this law passed and asked her if she was either blind to those things or if she was not fully aware of what this law meant and again Why would you support something like this? She ran me in circles for a little while longer. I gave up on that since she refused to give me a direct answer and asked her if she supported the animal rights movement explained to her I was asking such a direct question because it was brought to my attention that she graduated from the university of MI, a university which happens to be very involved in the animal rights movement.

At first she said
I can tell you for a fact I have not ever been involved with the rights movement going on at the university of MI.

I explained to her that once again she had avoided my question we she got a little frustrated and said

"Well anyone who says they don't support human rights is a liar"

With that for me enough said, I politely thanked her for her time and huge up.

Anyway according to her she says "I give you my word this bill will not move forward" We will see what her word is worth. This bill is being referred back to the rules committee and after it sits there for a time it will be pronounced dead and removed.

I want to thank everyone who took the time to write or call in and voice your opposition to the bill. Both, Elaine and her secretary told me they had received a huge volume of phone calls and emails. Also PIJAC, the AKC, IL Farmers Union there was a bird and cat group as well but I don't know who they were and of course Lee Watson and his group who has been so instrumental many of these laws. So you guys from IL don't forget to thank those guys when you see them.

On a side note it may note be a bad idea to either call or send an email thanking Representative Paul D. Froehlich. He did co sponsor this bill without fully understanding it however once he was made fully aware of what this bill meant he gave his word to the IL Farmers Union that he would remove his sponsorship and he followed through with his word. Sending him a polite email or phone call might prove to be helpful should similar laws be proposed in the future.



Representative Paul D. Froehlich (R)
statereppaul@sbcglobal.net
http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?MemberID=1068
Springfield Office:
232-N Stratton Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-3725
(217) 782-1336 FAX

District Office:
15 W. Weathersfield Way
Schaumburg, IL 60193
(847) 985-9210
(847) 891-8772 FAX
Cook County

Full text can be veiwed here
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...cSess=&Session=

[jawbone]

I am sure glad I moved out of IL. I don't think I have anything that would be banned or that you would need a permit for but give them time!