what kind of dwarf

[albinoretic]

hello what kind of dwarfs do you think this is

p.s sorry for the bad sheed but i just got her home

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Runedrengen/retics/P1010061.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Runedrengen/retics/P1010063.jpg

[Swe-Boids]

Could be Kayuadi but seems to me to be an Jampea. But I am not an expert, just my opinion.

Nice sanke though!

[Connor]

where did you get her/him?

[snakeman55]

Looks like a super dwarf, but you never know

[BIG SI]

THATS A JAMPEA 100% SURE.

[snakeman55]

How are you 100% sure?

[Andy]

My guess is Kayudai or superdwarf or one of those islands . I wouldnt say Jampea though. Not enough silver roaming around in the pattern and the eyes are orange.

[highplainsherp]

Assuming you just recently purchased it, and its a wild caught animal it is probably a Jampea, despite its apperance - a huge group of WC Jampeas just came into the country in the last month.

Cheers.
HPH

[BIG SI]

I have a large breeding group of Jampea Island retics, I have also kept and bred Kayaudi Island retics in the past. It is true that Jampea's have large amounts of silver running down their laterals, but this varies from snake to snake, some having high amounts of silver some having very little, this is also true with the Kayaudi, there can be a large color and pattern variation on these pythons too. All my Jampea's have orange eye's to varying degrees as did a large percentage of the Kayaudi's I used to keep. In their natural range the two subspecies are only geographically separated by 100km and the two Island are still relatively young meaning geographical separation of the two subspecies did not happen too long ago. Evolutionarily speaking these two subspecies are still relatively young. Geographical separation has made one massive change, the pythons size. Evolution has dwarfed this species, I think this is down to prey size on the two small Islands, there are no large mamals on Kayyadi/Tanahjampea such as deer. The size of the prey available to the predator often decides the overall size of the predator itself. There is a way however to tell the subspecies apart, as adults Kayaudi Island retics are alot less bulky and overall lenght of the Kayaudi is slightly less. The largest Kayaudi I ever measured was 6.5 foot were as the Jampea's are commonly over 7.5 feet. There is a third Island retic ( Kalaotoa retic )[/quote][/list]

[PadraigC]

Ok my guess is superdwarf......about evolution.... BIG SI true tanahjampea and Kayadi lack big mamamls but, is that the cause for there dwarf nature? Look at other indo islands and even the mainland...........Ill use the specific example of Borneo where Harlow, 1998 or 7 Im not sure I lost the paper was comparing the size of Northern and Southern females coming into skinning stations. These animals were all collected from plantations, where rats are abundant most of the big animals 10 and up had rats present in there stomach......... Which brings up the question of is the size of the prey really a big underlying cause for the seperation of true retics and true dwarfs(I hate that terminology)... Ive never been to Tanahjampea, I know its a small island, which is probably not as heavily farmed as Java, Borneo and parts of the Mainland so my thinking is (take this with a grain of salt Im Psych/Bio major) that everyday occurence of prey items is a bigger factopr. If Tanahjampea is not as heavily farmed as say Borneo, then there isnt a whole lot of RATS running around that a snake would normally meet and eat everyday. It does lack large mamals like deer but, the true giants that do consume deer are extremes which more then likely are older very succesful animals. None the less size of prey is still a huge factor. I really want to find that paper by Peter Harlow it was a good one and Ill post its a good read.......